## Re: OG chatrooms

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Posted by Savant on September 08, 1999 at 15:06:02: In Reply to: Re: OG chatrooms posted by Peter 'Rattacresh' Backes on September 08, 1999 at 10:20:36:

: : So with all due respect, my point still stands. You can control a channel,
: : you can occupy a channel, but you can't OWN it. There is no Internet
: : registration company that sells IRC channel registrations, and there is no
: : way to guarantee that you will retain control of it. That is the difference.

: I still disagree. The chanserv guarantees it, you can kick anyone who has taken
: control. How about trying it yourself first before writing the next followup? Go to
: dalnet and /MSG chanserv help

Let's use that, since it backs up what I am saying. Here is the header from
that command response:

>ChanServ gives normal users the ability to keep hold of a channel, without the need for a bot.

Notice the wording they use? "KEEP HOLD"

This is what I am talking about. I don't disagree that a person CAN 'keep hold'
of a channel. There are many ways a person can do this, and it will hold the
channel for them. It doesn't mean they 'OWN' it though.

If you register a channel in this fashion you can keep it as long as you use it. I
don't see that as being even close to ownership.

They also say "channel takeovers are virtually impossible" but they don't
say they 'guarantee' you will maintain control. Channel takeovers DO happen,
but not very often. However, that's beside the point.

I spoke with ISP system administrators on 4 systems (who collectively have over
4 million customers worldwide) and was told that "you can't OWN an IRC channel"
even though they ALL agreed that you can 'keep hold' of it, it's not the same thing.

It's not CONTROL that I am debating here, it's OWNERSHIP. If you can show me a copy of
the 'bill of sale' from any company that shows you are the 'owner' of ANY IRC channel on
a PUBLIC network and I will promptly retract my remarks.

Regards,

Savant

Follow-up Messages:

- Re: OG chatrooms Peter 'Rattacresh' Backes 15:29:32 9/08/99 (2)
  - Re: OG chatrooms Savant 17:52:15 9/09/99 (1)
    - Re: OG chatrooms Peter 'Rattacresh' Backes 15:13:44 9/10/99 (0)

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    : : : So with all due respect, my point still stands.  You can control a channel,
    : : : you can occupy a channel, but you can't OWN it.  There is no Internet
    : : : registration company that sells IRC channel registrations, and there is no
    : : : way to guarantee that you will retain control of it.  That is the difference.

    : : I still disagree. The chanserv guarantees it, you can kick anyone who has taken
    : : control. How about trying it yourself first before writing the next followup? Go to
    : : dalnet and /MSG chanserv help

    : Let's use that, since it backs up what I am saying.  Here is the header from
    : that command response:

    : >ChanServ gives normal users the ability to keep hold of a channel, without the need for a bot.

    : Notice the wording they use?  "KEEP HOLD"

    : This is what I am talking about.  I don't disagree that a person CAN 'keep hold'
    : of a channel.  There are many ways a person can do this, and it will hold the
    : channel for them.  It doesn't mean they 'OWN' it though.

    : If you register a channel in this fashion you can keep it as long as you use it.  I
    : don't see that as being even close to ownership.

    : They also say "channel takeovers are virtually impossible" but they don't
    : say they 'guarantee' you will maintain control.  Channel takeovers DO happen,
    : but not very often.  However, that's beside the point.

    : I spoke with ISP system administrators on 4 systems (who collectively have over
    : 4 million customers worldwide) and was told that "you can't OWN an IRC channel"
    : even though they ALL agreed that you can 'keep hold' of it, it's not the same thing.

    : It's not CONTROL that I am debating here, it's OWNERSHIP.  If you can show me a copy of
    : the 'bill of sale' from any company that shows you are the 'owner' of ANY IRC channel on
    : a PUBLIC network and I will promptly retract my remarks.

    : Regards,

    : Savant

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