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Posted by charleyt on May 07, 1999 at 06:01:03:

I have to agree with number 2 pencil. If what Savant
says is correct, then the creators of Aquaman couldd
sue JMS for copyright violation. I once posted in a
certain newsgroup what ocean girl was about, and the
replies I got back said that ocean girl "sounds like
a ripoff of Aquaman". Ad no, it wasn't in any comics
nwsgroup nor comics-related newsgroup that was psted
in. And I'm not saying that Ocean Girl us a ripoff
of Aquaman. That's what some other people said. I myself like Ocean Girl. It's STILL my favorite tv show, even though the live-acton episodes are over.

Number 2 pencil wrote:

: aant wrote:

: : I hate to break it to you, but everything
about Ocean Girl is copyright to Jonathan M.
Shiff, and you have no right to create her
without permission.

: : You can do what you like on your own, but you
could never 'publish openly' anything you made
based on Ocean Girl unless you purchased the
rights.

: : Did you know that Jonathan M. Shiff was
formerly a practicing attorney and solicitor for
14 years before becoming a producer? It's true.

: : I do hate to break it to you, but Ocean Girl
is just a TV program. We have had this
discussion before, but you continue to try and
raise 'Neri' to some pseudo "god-like" status.
The show is FICTION, so enjoy it, but don't
worship it.

: : I take offence to your remarks. If anything,
you are a hypocrite. The people on my mailing
list and the others subscribe because they
enjoyed the series and want to discuss it.
Little Angel (Patrik) is the perfect example of a
decent person who likes the show, and likes to
talk about it. He is now co-building a 'Ocean
Girl' related web site, and I wish him well.

: : People join mailing lists to keep in touch
with other people who enjoy the show. Unless you
are calling 'talk about Ocean Girl' junk, I
suggest you take a long hard look at yourself,
and look who is talking...

: : No one, except the producer can do that. He
is creating an animated series, and work is being
done on creating a movie.

: : This is where you are really wrong. Unlike
you, the people on the mailing lists are
interested in things other than Ocean Girl. We
have lives to live, things to do, and people to
see.

: : You don't know ANYONE on the lists well
enough to make a statement such as that. The
problem is that YOU see "Neri" (a fictional
character) as a God, and as a result, you think
that this is how everyone else should see it.

: : This basically says what I was saying before.
You are infatuated with a fictional character in
a TV show, and you have the NERVE to call other
people 'pitiful'??? I think you need to get some
help, either emotional or legal help, since you
will end up getting burned one way or another.

: : Neri is someone ELSE'S creation, it is NOT
your creation. Until you come to grips with that
fact you will never understand why you can't have
what you want. You can do what you want on your
own computers, make up Neri's and such. However
NONE of what you make can be shown in public
without permission from the producer.

: : Marzena Godecki playing the character 'Neri'
is gone. Marzena is older now, and there is no
way to turn back the hands of time. You need to
get over it, and move on in life. You can create
a 'Neri' in "cyberspace" but it will be
inanimate, and without a soul. So the looks may
be there, but that's it. A big part of the
character 'Neri' was not her 'looks' but the
'inner self' that was portrayed by her. You
can't manufacture that with ANY computer no
matter HOW hard you try.

: : So no matter what you do, the image will
always be a shadow of the original, and nothing
more. Remember that.

: : Regards,

: : Savant

:
: Dear Savant:

: Don't hate me because I'm beautiful. You must
learn to love yourself my friend! I come to share
ideas that will inspire exciting creations from
OG fans. But I see now that the truth I spoke
caused you to have some sort of Mental
Bowelmovement. Fascinating! Everything come out
OK big guy? I'm sorry to have to tell you this
because I know you were really counting on
copyrighting your face and then suing everyone
who looks like you for stealing your idea, but
you can not copyright facial features. Which also
means the Neri I create in cyberspace can look
like Marzena and be 'published openly' and Jhonny
boy can't do squat. Secondly you can't sue
someone just for having a similar storyline. If
that were the case the makers of the movies "THE
BLUE LAGOON" starring Brooke Shields, and
"hSPLASH" could sue o'l Jhon Jhon. Not to mention
the makers of "DEEP IMPACT" sue "ARMAGEDDON",
"ANTS" sue "BUG'S LIFE", "HEAFCLIFF" sue
"GARFIELD", "PLASTICMAN" sue
"MR.FANTASTIC",....clearly the courts would be
pact. I don't know where you got the idea that I
literally worship a T.V. show. But I'll give you
the benefit of the doubt, and assume you are not
able to both read and comprehend, rather than
assuming you're stupid. However, if the
definition of the word God is supreme. And I say
Oceangirl ranks supreme among shows. Then
technically one could say it is "God-like" among
shows. Of course there's nothing wrong with
talking about Oceangirl.....unless it's just
boring, mindless, chit-chat. If you're going to
say something, say something thought provoking,
interesting, or even poetic. But please spare us
from your nervous mouth energy. Thankyou. Next,
hIt is clear as a crystal, by the evidence of
numerous links I have posted, that there are
interest within me that goes beyond the borders
of Oceangirl. And every now and then, if I feel
it goes with whatever I happen to be discussing
at the time, I'll leave you all a little
something,something. But even if all you did day
after day was eat, sleep, $h1T, and check this
bulletin board, it wouldn't concern me at all.
But when you come here for your "OG time", why
not make the most of it, since you're already at
the computer. Dream big, don't settle for "Well,
guess I'll get off my butt and check the o'l
board. Darn it, no new messages." Think,"Hey!
I'll go work a little on my OG project on the
computer!" Lastly...Gee thanks Yoda for telling
me about the 'innerself'! Now I feel like I could
take on the whole Empire! Savant, the Neri we
litterally saw was pixels on a monitor. If pixels
in cyberspace are displayed in the way you see
them on T.V. you will have replicated Neri's
'innerself',regardless to the method used. It's
not magic, it's a formula.

: Sincerely,

: No.2Pencil

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    : I have to agree with number 2 pencil. If what Savant
    : says is correct, then the creators of Aquaman couldd
    : sue JMS for copyright violation.  I once posted in a
    : certain newsgroup what ocean girl was about, and the
    : replies I got back said that ocean girl "sounds like
    : a ripoff of Aquaman". Ad no, it wasn't in any comics
    : nwsgroup nor comics-related newsgroup that was psted
    : in.    And I'm not saying that Ocean Girl us a ripoff
    : of Aquaman.  That's what some other people said.  I myself like Ocean Girl.  It's STILL my favorite tv show, even though the live-acton episodes are over.

    : Number 2 pencil wrote:

    : : aant wrote:

    : : : I hate to break it to you, but everything
    : about Ocean Girl is copyright to Jonathan M.
    : Shiff, and you have no right to create her
    : without permission.

    : : : You can do what you like on your own, but you
    : could never 'publish openly' anything you made
    : based on Ocean Girl unless you purchased the
    : rights.

    : : : Did you know that Jonathan M. Shiff was
    : formerly a practicing attorney and solicitor for
    : 14 years before becoming a producer?  It's true.

    : : : I do hate to break it to you, but Ocean Girl
    : is just a TV program.  We have had this
    : discussion before, but you continue to try and
    : raise 'Neri' to some pseudo "god-like" status.
    : The show is FICTION, so enjoy it, but don't
    : worship it.

    : : : I take offence to your remarks.  If anything,
    : you are a hypocrite.  The people on my mailing
    : list and the others subscribe because they
    : enjoyed the series and want to discuss it.
    : Little Angel (Patrik) is the perfect example of a
    : decent person who likes the show, and likes to
    : talk about it.  He is now co-building a 'Ocean
    : Girl' related web site, and I wish him well.

    : : : People join mailing lists to keep in touch
    : with other people who enjoy the show.  Unless you
    : are calling 'talk about Ocean Girl' junk, I
    : suggest you take a long hard look at yourself,
    : and look who is talking...

    : : : No one, except the producer can do that.  He
    : is creating an animated series, and work is being
    : done on creating a movie.

    : : : This is where you are really wrong.  Unlike
    : you, the people on the mailing lists are
    : interested in things other than Ocean Girl.  We
    : have lives to live, things to do, and people to
    : see.

    : : : You don't know ANYONE on the lists well
    : enough to make a statement such as that.  The
    : problem is that YOU see "Neri" (a fictional
    : character) as a God, and as a result, you think
    : that this is how everyone else should see it.

    : : : This basically says what I was saying before.
    :  You are infatuated with a fictional character in
    : a TV show, and you have the NERVE to call other
    : people 'pitiful'???  I think you need to get some
    : help, either emotional or legal help, since you
    : will end up getting burned one way or another.

    : : : Neri is someone ELSE'S creation, it is NOT
    : your creation.  Until you come to grips with that
    : fact you will never understand why you can't have
    : what you want.  You can do what you want on your
    : own computers, make up Neri's and such.  However
    : NONE of what you make can be shown in public
    : without permission from the producer.

    : : : Marzena Godecki playing the character 'Neri'
    : is gone.  Marzena is older now, and there is no
    : way to turn back the hands of time.  You need to
    : get over it, and move on in life.  You can create
    : a 'Neri' in "cyberspace" but it will be
    : inanimate, and without a soul.  So the looks may
    : be there, but that's it.  A big part of the
    : character 'Neri' was not her 'looks' but the
    : 'inner self' that was portrayed by her.  You
    : can't manufacture that with ANY computer no
    : matter HOW hard you try.

    : : : So no matter what you do, the image will
    : always be a shadow of the original, and nothing
    : more.  Remember that.

    : : : Regards,

    : : : Savant

    : :
    : : Dear Savant:

    : : Don't hate me because I'm beautiful. You must
    : learn to love yourself my friend! I come to share
    : ideas that will inspire exciting creations from
    : OG fans. But I see now that the truth I spoke
    : caused you to have some sort of Mental
    : Bowelmovement. Fascinating! Everything come out
    : OK big guy? I'm sorry to have to tell you this
    : because I know you were really counting on
    : copyrighting your face and then suing everyone
    : who looks like you for stealing your idea, but
    : you can not copyright facial features. Which also
    : means the Neri I create in cyberspace can look
    : like Marzena and be 'published openly' and Jhonny
    : boy can't do squat. Secondly you can't sue
    : someone just for having a similar storyline. If
    : that were the case the makers of the movies "THE
    : BLUE LAGOON" starring Brooke Shields, and
    : "hSPLASH" could sue o'l Jhon Jhon. Not to mention
    : the makers of "DEEP IMPACT" sue "ARMAGEDDON",
    : "ANTS" sue "BUG'S LIFE", "HEAFCLIFF" sue
    : "GARFIELD", "PLASTICMAN" sue
    : "MR.FANTASTIC",....clearly the courts would be
    : pact. I don't know where you got the idea that I
    : literally worship a T.V. show. But I'll give you
    : the benefit of the doubt, and assume you are not
    : able to both read and comprehend, rather than
    : assuming you're stupid. However, if the
    : definition of the word God is supreme. And I say
    : Oceangirl ranks supreme among shows. Then
    : technically one could say it is "God-like" among
    : shows. Of course there's nothing wrong with
    : talking about Oceangirl.....unless it's just
    : boring, mindless, chit-chat. If you're going to
    : say something, say something thought provoking,
    : interesting, or even poetic. But please spare us
    : from your nervous mouth energy. Thankyou. Next,
    : hIt is clear as a crystal, by the evidence of
    : numerous links I have posted, that there are
    : interest within me that goes beyond the borders
    : of Oceangirl. And every now and then, if I feel
    : it goes with whatever I happen to be discussing
    : at the time, I'll leave you all a little
    : something,something. But even if all you did day
    : after day was eat, sleep, $h1T, and check this
    : bulletin board, it wouldn't concern me at all.
    : But when you come here for your "OG time", why
    : not make the most of it, since you're already at
    : the computer. Dream big, don't settle for "Well,
    : guess I'll get off my butt and check the o'l
    : board. Darn it, no new messages." Think,"Hey!
    : I'll go work a little on my OG project on the
    : computer!" Lastly...Gee thanks Yoda for telling
    : me about the 'innerself'! Now I feel like I could
    : take on the whole Empire! Savant, the Neri we
    : litterally saw was pixels on a monitor. If pixels
    : in cyberspace are displayed in the way you see
    : them on T.V. you will have replicated Neri's
    : 'innerself',regardless to the method used. It's
    : not magic, it's a formula.

    : : Sincerely,

    : : No.2Pencil

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