## Re: OG chatrooms

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Posted by rebecca on November 20, 2000 at 20:16:17: In Reply to: Re: OG chatrooms posted by Peter 'Rattacresh' Backes on September 08, 1999 at 15:29:32:

: : >ChanServ gives normal users the ability to keep hold of a channel, without the need for a bot.

: : Notice the wording they use? "KEEP HOLD"

: : This is what I am talking about. I don't disagree that a person CAN 'keep hold'
: : of a channel. There are many ways a person can do this, and it will hold the
: : channel for them. It doesn't mean they 'OWN' it though.

: : If you register a channel in this fashion you can keep it as long as you use it. I
: : don't see that as being even close to ownership.

: : They also say "channel takeovers are virtually impossible" but they don't
: : say they 'guarantee' you will maintain control. Channel takeovers DO happen,
: : but not very often. However, that's beside the point.

: : I spoke with ISP system administrators on 4 systems (who collectively have over
: : 4 million customers worldwide) and was told that "you can't OWN an IRC channel"
: : even though they ALL agreed that you can 'keep hold' of it, it's not the same thing.

: : It's not CONTROL that I am debating here, it's OWNERSHIP. If you can show me a copy of
: : the 'bill of sale' from any company that shows you are the 'owner' of ANY IRC channel on
: : a PUBLIC network and I will promptly retract my remarks.

: Hehe. Here it is (if it is up again): eshare.orcanorth.net:6667 This
: 'IRC network' (only consiting of one machine, but per definition one
: machine alone can be a network, too) has exactly what you wanted.
: Martin R. owns the #OceanGirl-Channel technically any lawfully, he has
: bought the server software and he surely can show you his license and
: bill of sale too.
: If anyone does a takeover he has the right and the tools to kick him
: out, exactly like your example 'house'.

: To finally end this discussion (or should I say 'battle of two
: wizkids' ;) I'd suggest we compromise: On some
: 'common' and 'public' servers, you can OWN a channel TECHICALLY in the
: same way AS AN INTERNET DOMAIN -- but by don't OWN it LAWFULLY (what
: I never intended to mean, anyway, I'm native German and don't know the
: exact definition of all English words).

: You've just to agree and we're fine :)

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    : : : >ChanServ gives normal users the ability to keep hold of a channel, without the need for a bot.

    : : : Notice the wording they use?  "KEEP HOLD"

    : : : This is what I am talking about.  I don't disagree that a person CAN 'keep hold'
    : : : of a channel.  There are many ways a person can do this, and it will hold the
    : : : channel for them.  It doesn't mean they 'OWN' it though.

    : : : If you register a channel in this fashion you can keep it as long as you use it.  I
    : : : don't see that as being even close to ownership.

    : : : They also say "channel takeovers are virtually impossible" but they don't
    : : : say they 'guarantee' you will maintain control.  Channel takeovers DO happen,
    : : : but not very often.  However, that's beside the point.

    : : : I spoke with ISP system administrators on 4 systems (who collectively have over
    : : : 4 million customers worldwide) and was told that "you can't OWN an IRC channel"
    : : : even though they ALL agreed that you can 'keep hold' of it, it's not the same thing.

    : : : It's not CONTROL that I am debating here, it's OWNERSHIP.  If you can show me a copy of
    : : : the 'bill of sale' from any company that shows you are the 'owner' of ANY IRC channel on
    : : : a PUBLIC network and I will promptly retract my remarks.

    : : Hehe. Here it is (if it is up again): eshare.orcanorth.net:6667 This
    : : 'IRC network' (only consiting of one machine, but per definition one
    : : machine alone can be a network, too) has exactly what you wanted.
    : : Martin R. owns the #OceanGirl-Channel technically any lawfully, he has
    : : bought the server software and he surely can show you his license and
    : : bill of sale too.
    : : If anyone does a takeover he has the right and the tools to kick him
    : : out, exactly like your example 'house'.

    : : To finally end this discussion (or should I say 'battle of two
    : : wizkids' ;) I'd suggest we compromise: On some
    : : 'common' and 'public' servers, you can OWN a channel TECHICALLY in the
    : : same way AS AN INTERNET DOMAIN -- but by don't OWN it LAWFULLY (what
    : : I never intended to mean, anyway, I'm native German and don't know the
    : : exact definition of all English words).

    : : You've just to agree and we're fine :)

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