## Re: OG chatrooms

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Posted by Peter 'Rattacresh' Backes on September 08, 1999 at 15:29:32: In Reply to: Re: OG chatrooms posted by Savant on September 08, 1999 at 15:06:02:

: >ChanServ gives normal users the ability to keep hold of a channel, without the need for a bot.

: Notice the wording they use? "KEEP HOLD"

: This is what I am talking about. I don't disagree that a person CAN 'keep hold'
: of a channel. There are many ways a person can do this, and it will hold the
: channel for them. It doesn't mean they 'OWN' it though.

: If you register a channel in this fashion you can keep it as long as you use it. I
: don't see that as being even close to ownership.

: They also say "channel takeovers are virtually impossible" but they don't
: say they 'guarantee' you will maintain control. Channel takeovers DO happen,
: but not very often. However, that's beside the point.

: I spoke with ISP system administrators on 4 systems (who collectively have over
: 4 million customers worldwide) and was told that "you can't OWN an IRC channel"
: even though they ALL agreed that you can 'keep hold' of it, it's not the same thing.

: It's not CONTROL that I am debating here, it's OWNERSHIP. If you can show me a copy of
: the 'bill of sale' from any company that shows you are the 'owner' of ANY IRC channel on
: a PUBLIC network and I will promptly retract my remarks.

Hehe. Here it is (if it is up again): eshare.orcanorth.net:6667 This
'IRC network' (only consiting of one machine, but per definition one
machine alone can be a network, too) has exactly what you wanted.
Martin R. owns the #OceanGirl-Channel technically any lawfully, he has
bought the server software and he surely can show you his license and
bill of sale too.
If anyone does a takeover he has the right and the tools to kick him
out, exactly like your example 'house'.

To finally end this discussion (or should I say 'battle of two
wizkids' ;) I'd suggest we compromise: On some
'common' and 'public' servers, you can OWN a channel TECHICALLY in the
same way AS AN INTERNET DOMAIN -- but by don't OWN it LAWFULLY (what
I never intended to mean, anyway, I'm native German and don't know the
exact definition of all English words).

You've just to agree and we're fine :)

Follow-up Messages:

- Re: OG chatrooms Savant 17:52:15 9/09/99 (1)
  - Re: OG chatrooms Peter 'Rattacresh' Backes 15:13:44 9/10/99 (0)

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    : : >ChanServ gives normal users the ability to keep hold of a channel, without the need for a bot.

    : : Notice the wording they use?  "KEEP HOLD"

    : : This is what I am talking about.  I don't disagree that a person CAN 'keep hold'
    : : of a channel.  There are many ways a person can do this, and it will hold the
    : : channel for them.  It doesn't mean they 'OWN' it though.

    : : If you register a channel in this fashion you can keep it as long as you use it.  I
    : : don't see that as being even close to ownership.

    : : They also say "channel takeovers are virtually impossible" but they don't
    : : say they 'guarantee' you will maintain control.  Channel takeovers DO happen,
    : : but not very often.  However, that's beside the point.

    : : I spoke with ISP system administrators on 4 systems (who collectively have over
    : : 4 million customers worldwide) and was told that "you can't OWN an IRC channel"
    : : even though they ALL agreed that you can 'keep hold' of it, it's not the same thing.

    : : It's not CONTROL that I am debating here, it's OWNERSHIP.  If you can show me a copy of
    : : the 'bill of sale' from any company that shows you are the 'owner' of ANY IRC channel on
    : : a PUBLIC network and I will promptly retract my remarks.

    : Hehe. Here it is (if it is up again): eshare.orcanorth.net:6667 This
    : 'IRC network' (only consiting of one machine, but per definition one
    : machine alone can be a network, too) has exactly what you wanted.
    : Martin R. owns the #OceanGirl-Channel technically any lawfully, he has
    : bought the server software and he surely can show you his license and
    : bill of sale too.
    : If anyone does a takeover he has the right and the tools to kick him
    : out, exactly like your example 'house'.

    : To finally end this discussion (or should I say 'battle of two
    : wizkids' ;) I'd suggest we compromise: On some
    : 'common' and 'public' servers, you can OWN a channel TECHICALLY in the
    : same way AS AN INTERNET DOMAIN -- but by don't OWN it LAWFULLY (what
    : I never intended to mean, anyway, I'm native German and don't know the
    : exact definition of all English words).

    : You've just to agree and we're fine :)

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