## Re: NERI IN CYBERSPACE

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Posted by Savant on March 08, 1999 at 11:41:21: In Reply to: Re: NERI IN CYBERSPACE posted by No.2Pencil on March 04, 1999 at 20:34:39:

No.2Pencil wrote:
> Mailing lists are O.k. but when you use mailinglists to talk about
> mailinglists you defeat the whole purpose of having a mailinglists. You
> have nothing to say because there's nothing exciting and new being
> produced. Going back to my original point, you have to make it yourself.

I hate to break it to you, but everything about Ocean Girl is copyright to Jonathan M. Shiff, and you have no right to create her without permission.

You can do what you like on your own, but you could never 'publish openly' anything you made based on Ocean Girl unless you purchased the rights.

Did you know that Jonathan M. Shiff was formerly a practicing attorney and solicitor for 14 years before becoming a producer? It's true.

> It reminds me of Egypt. Thousands of years ago massive pyramids were built,
> the sphinx, temples made with stones so large even modern technology
> struggles to lift them, oblisque...One might call it a Symphony in Stone.
> But what have the Egyptians built for at least the past 2,000 years?
> Nothing. In 1999 the most they do is try and sell some cheezy miniature
> Egyptian replicas in the streets. They are not God's today, they are even
> less than men, just surviving like the animals. A long time ago something
> else massive was built. It's called Oceangirl. The First season of
> Oceangirl, like the Pyramids, sits high above the rest. And Season 1 Neri
> is the Capstone.

I do hate to break it to you, but Ocean Girl is just a TV program. We have had this discussion before, but you continue to try and raise 'Neri' to some pseudo "god-like" status. The show is FICTION, so enjoy it, but don't worship it.

> But that was almost 5 to 6 years ago. And today it's come
> to this. A pitiful, sory, group who sit at state of the Art computers to
> talk about junk.

I take offence to your remarks. If anything, you are a hypocrite. The people on my mailing list and the others subscribe because they enjoyed the series and want to discuss it. Little Angel (Patrik) is the perfect example of a decent person who likes the show, and likes to talk about it. He is now co-building a 'Ocean Girl' related web site, and I wish him well.

People join mailing lists to keep in touch with other people who enjoy the show. Unless you are calling 'talk about Ocean Girl' junk, I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself, and look who is talking...

> Who will not use them to construct once again the greatness of the Past
> that is Oceangirl.

No one, except the producer can do that. He is creating an animated series, and work is being done on creating a movie.

> The most you want out of life is where you can find some old OG tapes, or
> OG CD, cheezy oceangirl merchandise, chit-chat about why the mailing list
> doesn't work for days and days and days when you know dam well there's
> nothing to say. But it is your decision and if this is the most you can
> dream then so be it.

This is where you are really wrong. Unlike you, the people on the mailing lists are interested in things other than Ocean Girl. We have lives to live, things to do, and people to see.

You don't know ANYONE on the lists well enough to make a statement such as that. The problem is that YOU see "Neri" (a fictional character) as a God, and as a result, you think that this is how everyone else should see it.

> But as for me the mailing list can go to hell. I'll be
> dammed If I just let this girl become ancient history. The Universe will
> submit to me and give me the desires of my heart, and if that means using
> computer technology to construct a Neri in cyberspace, then so be it.

This basically says what I was saying before. You are infatuated with a fictional character in a TV show, and you have the NERVE to call other people 'pitiful'??? I think you need to get some help, either emotional or legal help, since you will end up getting burned one way or another.

Neri is someone ELSE'S creation, it is NOT your creation. Until you come to grips with that fact you will never understand why you can't have what you want. You can do what you want on your own computers, make up Neri's and such. However NONE of what you make can be shown in public without permission from the producer.

Marzena Godecki playing the character 'Neri' is gone. Marzena is older now, and there is no way to turn back the hands of time. You need to get over it, and move on in life. You can create a 'Neri' in "cyberspace" but it will be inanimate, and without a soul. So the looks may be there, but that's it. A big part of the character 'Neri' was not her 'looks' but the 'inner self' that was portrayed by her. You can't manufacture that with ANY computer no matter HOW hard you try.

So no matter what you do, the image will always be a shadow of the original, and nothing more. Remember that.

Regards,

Savant.
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Follow-up Messages:

- Re: NERI IN CYBERSPACE No.2Pencil 19:06:02 3/08/99 (3)
  - Re: NERI IN CYBERSPACE Savant 00:21:58 3/09/99 (2)
    - Re: NERI IN CYBERSPACE No.2Pencil 22:29:28 3/09/99 (1)
      - Re: NERI IN CYBERSPACE - please get help No 2 Pencil...! Savant 17:12:33 3/10/99 (0)

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    :  No.2Pencil wrote:
    : > Mailing lists are O.k. but when you use mailinglists to talk about
    : > mailinglists you defeat the whole purpose of having a mailinglists. You
    : > have nothing to say because there's nothing exciting and new being
    : > produced. Going back to my original point, you have to make it yourself.

    : I hate to break it to you, but everything about Ocean Girl is copyright to Jonathan M. Shiff, and you have no right to create her without permission.

    : You can do what you like on your own, but you could never 'publish openly' anything you made based on Ocean Girl unless you purchased the rights.

    : Did you know that Jonathan M. Shiff was formerly a practicing attorney and solicitor for 14 years before becoming a producer?  It's true.

    : > It reminds me of Egypt. Thousands of years ago massive pyramids were built,
    : > the sphinx, temples made with stones so large even modern technology
    : > struggles to lift them, oblisque...One might call it a Symphony in Stone.
    : > But what have the Egyptians built for at least the past 2,000 years?
    : > Nothing. In 1999 the most they do is try and sell some cheezy miniature
    : > Egyptian replicas in the streets. They are not God's today, they are even
    : > less than men, just surviving like the animals. A long time ago something
    : > else massive was built. It's called Oceangirl. The First season of
    : > Oceangirl, like the Pyramids, sits high above the rest. And Season 1 Neri
    : > is the Capstone.

    : I do hate to break it to you, but Ocean Girl is just a TV program.  We have had this discussion before, but you continue to try and raise 'Neri' to some pseudo "god-like" status.  The show is FICTION, so enjoy it, but don't worship it.

    : > But that was almost 5 to 6 years ago. And today it's come
    : > to this. A pitiful, sory, group who sit at state of the Art computers to
    : > talk about junk.

    : I take offence to your remarks.  If anything, you are a hypocrite.  The people on my mailing list and the others subscribe because they enjoyed the series and want to discuss it.  Little Angel (Patrik) is the perfect example of a decent person who likes the show, and likes to talk about it.  He is now co-building a 'Ocean Girl' related web site, and I wish him well.

    : People join mailing lists to keep in touch with other people who enjoy the show.  Unless you are calling 'talk about Ocean Girl' junk, I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself, and look who is talking...

    : > Who will not use them to construct once again the greatness of the Past
    : > that is Oceangirl.

    : No one, except the producer can do that.  He is creating an animated series, and work is being done on creating a movie.

    : > The most you want out of life is  where you can find some old OG tapes, or
    : > OG CD, cheezy oceangirl  merchandise, chit-chat about why the mailing list
    : > doesn't work for days and  days and days when you know dam well there's
    : > nothing to say. But it is your decision and if this is the most you can
    : > dream then so be it.

    : This is where you are really wrong.  Unlike you, the people on the mailing lists are interested in things other than Ocean Girl.  We have lives to live, things to do, and people to see.

    : You don't know ANYONE on the lists well enough to make a statement such as that.  The problem is that YOU see "Neri" (a fictional character) as a God, and as a result, you think that this is how everyone else should see it.

    : > But as for me the mailing list can go to hell. I'll be
    : > dammed If I just let this girl become ancient history. The Universe will
    : > submit to me and give me the desires of my heart, and if that means using
    : > computer technology to construct a Neri in cyberspace, then so be it.

    : This basically says what I was saying before.  You are infatuated with a fictional character in a TV show, and you have the NERVE to call other people 'pitiful'???  I think you need to get some help, either emotional or legal help, since you will end up getting burned one way or another.

    : Neri is someone ELSE'S creation, it is NOT your creation.  Until you come to grips with that fact you will never understand why you can't have what you want.  You can do what you want on your own computers, make up Neri's and such.  However NONE of what you make can be shown in public without permission from the producer.

    : Marzena Godecki playing the character 'Neri' is gone.  Marzena is older now, and there is no way to turn back the hands of time.  You need to get over it, and move on in life.  You can create a 'Neri' in "cyberspace" but it will be inanimate, and without a soul.  So the looks may be there, but that's it.  A big part of the character 'Neri' was not her 'looks' but the 'inner self' that was portrayed by her.  You can't manufacture that with ANY computer no matter HOW hard you try.

    : So no matter what you do, the image will always be a shadow of the original, and nothing more.  Remember that.

    : Regards,

    : Savant.
    : --
    : Member of MENSA Canada
    : Worldwide site - Information page
    : http://www.mensa.org/info.html

    : Have you got what it takes to make the top 2% ?
    : Then try the MENSA workout!
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