### Re: Sharing Files like Video and Music Files

[ Follow-Ups ] [ Post Follow-up ] [ Bulletin Board ] [ FAQ ]

Posted by Peter 'Rattacresh' Backes on October 20, 192001 at 11:36:27: In Reply to: Re: Sharing Files like Video and Music Files posted by Savant on October 19, 192001 at 18:13:09:

Hello,

: : Never forget that it is NOT information which hurts anyone bodily. It
: : is always some act of physical force involved.
: Sure, and someone could say it's not guns that kill people, it's people
: that kill people. However I'm quite happy that handgun possession is
: banned in my country, and the murder rate is very low as a result.

No, I don't think one could say that. A gun *is* physical force. It's
something absolutely different. This is exactly where to draw the
line, between information, which is a priori harmless, and means
of physical destruction, such as guns.

: Privacy comes with a price. In this case Bin Laden likely had used
: Freenet to instruct those involved with the disaster in New York. So the
: question becomes, is YOUR privacy worth the lives of the 5000+ people who
: were murdered?

I personally think that if we pay a price as high as loosing
our privacy to fight terrorism, then terrorism finally has reached
it's goal.

BTW, It's very hard to prohibit Freenet or destroy it forcibly. So
whatever you say against it or try to do against it, you can't do
anything about it, except if you succeed in (a) destroying the physical
wires freenet traffic is carried on (the whole Internet backbone) or
(b) getting all people who run a Freenet node to stop that.

Both I consider impossible, so our discussion is really futile.
Your arguments are against privacy, but they won't stop Freenet
from running, because it has especially been designed to stand
any treat one could imagine.

: If not, how many people have to die before that 'privacy' is put behind
: the needs of society? 10,000? 10,000,000?

If the whole world dies, it is not enough IMO. If privacy
is put behinds the need of society, we loose the right to
call ourselfes 'The Free World.'

: I'm sorry, but the price is too high for me.

Don't you think your argumentation is influenced quite much by
anti-privacy groups who now try to abuse the very emotional
feelings people have about the incident? I know that the incident
was cruel, but we must try not to see anything too emotional.

Follow-up Messages:

- Re: Sharing Files like Video and Music Files Savant 14:56:41 10/20/2001 (3)
  - Re: Sharing Files like Video and Music Files Peter 'Rattacresh' Backes 22:00:53 10/20/2001 (2)
    - Re: Sharing Files like Video and Music Files Savant 01:08:21 10/21/2001 (1)
      - Re: Sharing Files like Video and Music Files Peter 'Rattacresh' Backes 13:13:01 10/21/2001 (0)

Post a Follow-up Message

    Name:

    E-Mail:

    Subject:
    Comments:

    : Hello,

    : : : Never forget that it is NOT information which hurts anyone bodily.  It
    : : : is always some act of physical force involved.
    : : Sure, and someone could say it's not guns that kill people, it's people
    : : that kill people.  However I'm quite happy that handgun possession is
    : : banned in my country, and the murder rate is very low as a result.

    : No, I don't think one could say that.  A gun *is* physical force.  It's
    : something absolutely different.  This is exactly where to draw the
    : line, between information, which is a priori harmless, and means
    : of physical destruction, such as guns.

    : : Privacy comes with a price.  In this case Bin Laden likely had used
    : : Freenet to instruct those involved with the disaster in New York.  So the
    : : question becomes, is YOUR privacy worth the lives of the 5000+ people who
    : : were murdered?

    : I personally think that if we pay a price as high as loosing
    : our privacy to fight terrorism, then terrorism finally has reached
    : it's goal.

    : BTW, It's very hard to prohibit Freenet or destroy it forcibly.  So
    : whatever you say against it or try to do against it, you can't do
    : anything about it, except if you succeed in (a) destroying the physical
    : wires freenet traffic is carried on (the whole Internet backbone) or
    : (b) getting all people who run a Freenet node to stop that.

    : Both I consider impossible, so our discussion is really futile.
    : Your arguments are against privacy, but they won't stop Freenet
    : from running, because it has especially been designed to stand
    : any treat one could imagine.

    : : If not, how many people have to die before that 'privacy' is put behind
    : : the needs of society?  10,000? 10,000,000?

    : If the whole world dies, it is not enough IMO.  If privacy
    : is put behinds the need of society, we loose the right to
    : call ourselfes 'The Free World.'

    : : I'm sorry, but the price is too high for me.

    : Don't you think your argumentation is influenced quite much by
    : anti-privacy groups who now try to abuse the very emotional
    : feelings people have about the incident?  I know that the incident
    : was cruel, but we must try not to see anything too emotional.

    Optional Link URL:

    Link Title:

    Optional Image URL:

[ Follow-Ups ] [ Post Follow-up ] [ Bulletin Board ] [ FAQ ]